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  1. Cory Brown
    Cory Brown at |

    Sir,
    Gathering seed at your sites of the coyote tobacco could yield genetic evidence of related seed lines isolated for long periods of time, even up to 1 k Yrs. A limited gene pool to cross with, will give a rather restricted set of genes, relative to a crossbreeding population. Analysis of this will probably be useful to you. CB

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  2. Ray Bush
    Ray Bush at |

    yes i agree with Cory, knowing if the various plants share a common lineage or divergence would give evidence of the cultural connection and not just one of coincidence or convergence. It would aid in clarifying the notion that the plants were brought to the site rather than the site being selected due to the plants being in the area.

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  3. Tommy H
    Tommy H at |

    Old news. Anyone who has been to a rock art conference in the last 20 plus years, anywhere in the world, such as Mr. Loendorf himself, would know that hallucinogenics have been linked to rock art in many ways.

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  4. Carl de Borhegyi
    Carl de Borhegyi at |

    Ditto on the old news.

    It may be that the origin of an ancient mushroom religion, as proposed by R. Gordon Wasson, is rooted in the shamanism of the Siberian forest people and came to the New World as early as the Paleolithic. According to Wasson, the term shaman is not native to Mesoamerica or even to the New World but derives from the languages of Siberia. Siberian shamanism incorporates ecstatic trances brought on by a ritual of dance and the inducement of hallucinations, most commonly through the consumption of some hallucinogenic substance. The intention was to open communication directly with the spirit world, often through a form of animal transformation. The worship of animal spirit companions and the concept of human-animal transformation is so ancient, that the origins of these beliefs appear to predate the development of agriculture. Since these beliefs are also present throughout North and South America that they may very well have been brought there by the first hunters and gatherers to reach the New World. We find the first evidences of these shamanistic rituals in Mesoamerica in the art of the ancient Olmecs along with the development of agriculture, food production, and settled village life. The foundation of shamanism, was the sacred substances used in rituals to attain divine ecstasy, which became the foundation of nearly all the religions of Mesoamerica and South America.

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  5. Tia Osa
    Tia Osa at |

    To me this article is not about old or new information about hallucinogens and their relationship in shamanistic rituals. There is plenty of consensual evidence on such offerings. This article is about their association with the triangle motif as a water gourd and calling forth the sacred rains so scarce and unpredictable in the arid southwest; and other repetitive images in rock art associated with the rain. . Interesting article professor Loendorf. .

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