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  1. Doug Paulin
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    It’s hardly a revelation that Native Americans were just as violent as they accuse European settlers of being. They just eventually came up against an enemy they couldn’t beat, something that’s happened countless times throughout history.

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    1. w mcmanus
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      That’s a pretty idiotic blanket statement, and frankly, Racist.

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      1. PMN
        PMN at |

        “Racist”? How does that top-shelf pejorative apply?

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      2. GregT
        GregT at |

        Oh my, the irony in your statement…..delicious

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    2. Kevin
      Kevin at |

      equating the small-scale inter-social attacks of ‘Basketmaker’ groups with the aggressive incursions of European colonials such as the DeSoto or James (whose expeditions admittedly wiped out hundreds in single confrontations) does reflect some type of ideological myopia.

      if it is not racism or ethnocentrism, it is surely poor scholarship.

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      1. Gunnard Larson
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        Well said.

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    […] Nearly a hundred skeletons buried in a cave in southeast Utah offer grisly evidence that ancient Americans waged war on each other as much as 2,000 years ago, according to new research.Dozens of bodies, dating from the first century CE, bear clear signs of hand-to-hand combat: skulls crushed as if by cudgels; limbs broken at the time of death; and, most damning, weapons still lodged in the back, breast and pelvic bones of some victims — including stone points, bone awls, and knives made of obsidian glass.  […]

  5. Kathryn
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    I’m amazed that an observation that “Native Americans were just as violent” as Europeans, and that they shared the same recurring historical problem — affecting ALL RACES — of eventually coming up against an enemy they couldn’t beat (same as the Assyrians, Greeks, Romans, Egyptians, Mongols, Picts, Africans, Aztecs, etc.), can be considered “Racist.” Acknowledging that humanity shares common traits regardless of race is the OPPOSITE of racism.

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    1. rixmax
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      Kudos for your response! You’re correct… the exact opposite of racist. I’m so sick of that term being misused or worse used to obscure the original point.

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  6. Don Keller
    Don Keller at |

    Very useful synopsis, Blake. Thanks much. And good to meet you on the Pecos Conference tour out to Wupatki. All the best.

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  7. Prehistoric Massacre??
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  8. vince
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    i find it very interesting that they found some of the mens bodies buried with faces towards the front of the cave, very symbolic, a look into the minds of those who buried them, i think maybe this cave was a place where only people who died in battle or because of war were buried, to bad we will never know the reasons they were buried in the positions they were found in,

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  9. Dave
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    In this way we appease the slain enemy’s ghost so they won’t cause trouble.

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  10. Primitive warfare
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  11. Richard Wisecarver
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    At the Sedillo Site in lbuquerque, NM we found an adult female with a large depressed head fracture on the floor of a shallow pithouse and matching maul (mauls were rare)in the next pithouse along with a deer headress. The site dated from the 900′s AD. On the floor of a deep pithouse we found a 9 yeaar old child that had crawled into a ventlator tunnel. His lower imbs were scatterd all over the floor of the house ad he had an obsdian arrow point in nhis chest cavity, Neither of the bodies appear to have been buried and the lower limbs of the child appeared to have scattered byb predators. As I remember quite a few nof the oithouses in the site had been burned. I have excavated 7 burials in pithouse sites in the Middle Rio Grande dating from 650 to 900ADand while most pithouse had been burned, only these two bodies appeared to have been the result of violence Many of the earlier pithouses appeared to have been stripped of valuables prior to burning. One house had a deliberate burial in a vemtiator shaft that was unburnt, then the house was burnt. Another two houses were accidentally burned; another was burned and then filled withb trash and thenn a burial. three nmore were burnt wit very little on the floor. Matt Schmader in 1988 excavated 35 a houses and 12 burials in the same area across from Bernalillo. They had shallow and deep pithouse often in pairs He does’t mention victims of violence. So warfare does occur but is not common in the Middle Rio Grande fo 650 to 950AD/

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  12. charles bruns
    charles bruns at |

    losers croak, winners joke.
    who wrote your history in what language, hmmm?

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    1. Jason
      Jason at |

      That war is not over, think about that. Longest war in US History and it is not over, just being fought differently. Put that in your peace pipe and smoke it.

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    2. Aaron England
      Aaron England at |

      Do you even know what you’re talking about? Most Native Americans were wiped out by two things. Smallpox and interracial marriage. We’ll use my people for instance. They were reduced from near 50,000 down to around 500 by a combination of smallpox and raids from the Cherokee and Tuscarora. After that my people moved and gathered the remnants of other near-extinct tribes and lived on what was called “stolen British property” where they have resided since the mid 1700′s. The area that is known as Drowning Creek has been under our control ever since and neither the British, Spanish, or French have successfully attempted to take it from us. Unless you count smallpox as germ warfare then you guys did nothing to us. The Spanish were the only ones who had any kind of success with conquering and even they didn’t do a very good job because most of the Native Americans in Central and South America today are descendents of the the tribes that were supposedly wiped by the Spanish Conquistadors.

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  13. Jason
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    There were people warring everywhere. The American Indians just lost to a sea of immigrants, and technology. Before the invention of the 6 shooter, the Comanche Indians, would dominate most encounters and caused depopulation in Texas for over 100 miles back east until the late 1870′s.. Not to mention the other Plains tribes, who mastered the horse and rifle, nor forget their skills with rapid firing bow and arrows. They were know to be better horssmen then the calvalry and many generals considered them (the Comanche) the greatest mounted calvary ever in the world.

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  15. John A
    John A at |

    the cave itself was most likely the reason for the battles. It would be the envy of all groups looking for a camp safe from weather, animals & other humans. It would have been defended to the death, and many great plans were forged to take it from the occupants. Fascinating! No reason to bring hate into it…

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  16. T. Van Alstyne
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